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		<title>By: Fumi</title>
		<link>http://blog.50micron.com/2010/02/24/on-symantecnorton-technical-support/comment-page-1/#comment-7839</link>
		<dc:creator>Fumi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 03:43:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah I live in Hong Kong.  We lost our manufacturing jobs to China a full 20 years before you guys did, there is NO factory of any meaningful size in here since the 90s.  The same is happening to our call centers: in 2002 the telco I worked in employed over 200 people in its call center, within 2 years all of them lost their job to someone who speaks the same language but gets paid 1/7 of their salary.

Do I wish the companies would keep the jobs in here?  Absolutely.  However when MBA holders are chasing &quot;maximum profit&quot; and the stock market punishes you for &quot;not cutting enough expenses&quot;, these things inevitably will happen.

Incidentally, EMC is the only company whose CS doesn&#039;t speak my language.  Sun, HP, HDS etc. at least forward my calls to someone who can speak Cantonese. EMC routes all calls to India.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah I live in Hong Kong.  We lost our manufacturing jobs to China a full 20 years before you guys did, there is NO factory of any meaningful size in here since the 90s.  The same is happening to our call centers: in 2002 the telco I worked in employed over 200 people in its call center, within 2 years all of them lost their job to someone who speaks the same language but gets paid 1/7 of their salary.</p>
<p>Do I wish the companies would keep the jobs in here?  Absolutely.  However when MBA holders are chasing &#8220;maximum profit&#8221; and the stock market punishes you for &#8220;not cutting enough expenses&#8221;, these things inevitably will happen.</p>
<p>Incidentally, EMC is the only company whose CS doesn&#8217;t speak my language.  Sun, HP, HDS etc. at least forward my calls to someone who can speak Cantonese. EMC routes all calls to India.</p>
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		<title>By: Jesse</title>
		<link>http://blog.50micron.com/2010/02/24/on-symantecnorton-technical-support/comment-page-1/#comment-7831</link>
		<dc:creator>Jesse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2010 15:52:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, and just FYI.  FUMI&#039;s IP address tracks out of the country, so there *MAY* be a little self interest in his comment. ;-)

#justsayin</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, and just FYI.  FUMI&#8217;s IP address tracks out of the country, so there *MAY* be a little self interest in his comment. <img src='http://blog.50micron.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>#justsayin</p>
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		<title>By: Jesse</title>
		<link>http://blog.50micron.com/2010/02/24/on-symantecnorton-technical-support/comment-page-1/#comment-7830</link>
		<dc:creator>Jesse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2010 12:33:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Um...no.

They&#039;re required to go through the script because they don&#039;t actually know the product they&#039;re supporting.  When I was at AOL the newbies went through the script until they got the feel for what was wrong, then they were allowed to deviate from it once they got their technical chops.

The difference with &quot;lackeys&quot; stateside is that WE SPEAK THE DAMNED LANGUAGE.

The US has no shortage of people who will work in customer service.  Companies just don&#039;t want to pay American wages when they can save a few bucks on someone cheap.

This came directly from a Dell Sales Engineer.  &quot;If the difference is paying $20/hour and $2/hour, we&#039;ll go the cheapest route, even if it does cost American jobs&quot;

Now I *NEVER* heard of a tech-support rep making $20/hour.  I think the best I made when I was at AOL was $9 and change, and then made about $11/hour at Microsoft. 

But you know what, I wouldn&#039;t be where I am today without those jobs, and a lot of people who are looking to enter technology NEED those jobs to bridge in.

We need to bring our tech jobs back home so that we can start training the next generation of IT people</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Um&#8230;no.</p>
<p>They&#8217;re required to go through the script because they don&#8217;t actually know the product they&#8217;re supporting.  When I was at AOL the newbies went through the script until they got the feel for what was wrong, then they were allowed to deviate from it once they got their technical chops.</p>
<p>The difference with &#8220;lackeys&#8221; stateside is that WE SPEAK THE DAMNED LANGUAGE.</p>
<p>The US has no shortage of people who will work in customer service.  Companies just don&#8217;t want to pay American wages when they can save a few bucks on someone cheap.</p>
<p>This came directly from a Dell Sales Engineer.  &#8220;If the difference is paying $20/hour and $2/hour, we&#8217;ll go the cheapest route, even if it does cost American jobs&#8221;</p>
<p>Now I *NEVER* heard of a tech-support rep making $20/hour.  I think the best I made when I was at AOL was $9 and change, and then made about $11/hour at Microsoft. </p>
<p>But you know what, I wouldn&#8217;t be where I am today without those jobs, and a lot of people who are looking to enter technology NEED those jobs to bridge in.</p>
<p>We need to bring our tech jobs back home so that we can start training the next generation of IT people</p>
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		<title>By: Fumi</title>
		<link>http://blog.50micron.com/2010/02/24/on-symantecnorton-technical-support/comment-page-1/#comment-7829</link>
		<dc:creator>Fumi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2010 07:53:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You do realize that they are required to go through all the idiotic questions, so they can save themselves from litigious end users?

How is it going to be different with the lackey in Stateside instead of India?

It&#039;s not a problem with outsourcing, it&#039;s a problem of bright people not wanting to work in customer service.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You do realize that they are required to go through all the idiotic questions, so they can save themselves from litigious end users?</p>
<p>How is it going to be different with the lackey in Stateside instead of India?</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not a problem with outsourcing, it&#8217;s a problem of bright people not wanting to work in customer service.</p>
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		<title>By: Jesse</title>
		<link>http://blog.50micron.com/2010/02/24/on-symantecnorton-technical-support/comment-page-1/#comment-7707</link>
		<dc:creator>Jesse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Feb 2010 04:14:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re right, that is ugly. :)   Nah - Got a better solution.  

Acronis TrueImage 2010.  It doesn&#039;t encode the archive location anywhere in the backup, so it can be moved after the fact.  

And since this &quot;server&quot; is a windows XP box, i can get away with the cheap home version in this case.  :)

Cool.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re right, that is ugly. <img src='http://blog.50micron.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />    Nah &#8211; Got a better solution.  </p>
<p>Acronis TrueImage 2010.  It doesn&#8217;t encode the archive location anywhere in the backup, so it can be moved after the fact.  </p>
<p>And since this &#8220;server&#8221; is a windows XP box, i can get away with the cheap home version in this case.  <img src='http://blog.50micron.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Cool.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Storrs</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew Storrs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Feb 2010 21:06:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What about &quot;cheating&quot;.

Attach the USB drive and share it out on the local system with the same share path as it will have on the remote system, add a HOSTS file entry for to the machine pointing the remote systems name at localhost, then do an initial backup, transport it to the new location, remove the HOSTS file redirect and try an incremental. 

In theory that should work - even if it&#039;s not pretty. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What about &#8220;cheating&#8221;.</p>
<p>Attach the USB drive and share it out on the local system with the same share path as it will have on the remote system, add a HOSTS file entry for to the machine pointing the remote systems name at localhost, then do an initial backup, transport it to the new location, remove the HOSTS file redirect and try an incremental. </p>
<p>In theory that should work &#8211; even if it&#8217;s not pretty. <img src='http://blog.50micron.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Jesse</title>
		<link>http://blog.50micron.com/2010/02/24/on-symantecnorton-technical-support/comment-page-1/#comment-7693</link>
		<dc:creator>Jesse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Feb 2010 04:09:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It really does.  I lost count of how many times the answer to my question bore no relationship to the question.  And the part I DIDN&#039;T POST was the transfer to the &quot;manager&quot; who was even *MORE* inept and whose command of English was ever worse.

Nah, not a relation, just a typical frugal small-business owner.  I don&#039;t blame her, it&#039;s hard to get by these days.

The only reason she bought the cloud storage concept was that she has a deli on one side of her and a paint-store on the other, which put the potential for her little mailboxes store becoming a huge fireball in the &quot;very real possibility&quot; range.

Of course my bad for not actually having a product when I sold it to her. ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It really does.  I lost count of how many times the answer to my question bore no relationship to the question.  And the part I DIDN&#8217;T POST was the transfer to the &#8220;manager&#8221; who was even *MORE* inept and whose command of English was ever worse.</p>
<p>Nah, not a relation, just a typical frugal small-business owner.  I don&#8217;t blame her, it&#8217;s hard to get by these days.</p>
<p>The only reason she bought the cloud storage concept was that she has a deli on one side of her and a paint-store on the other, which put the potential for her little mailboxes store becoming a huge fireball in the &#8220;very real possibility&#8221; range.</p>
<p>Of course my bad for not actually having a product when I sold it to her. <img src='http://blog.50micron.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: CyberED</title>
		<link>http://blog.50micron.com/2010/02/24/on-symantecnorton-technical-support/comment-page-1/#comment-7689</link>
		<dc:creator>CyberED</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Feb 2010 23:19:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Symantec outsourced support fails the Turing Test.  I think you were chatting with a very old copy of Eliza with a few phrases rewritten to sound more technical.

Oh, and the hassles of cheapstake clients.  A family member?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Symantec outsourced support fails the Turing Test.  I think you were chatting with a very old copy of Eliza with a few phrases rewritten to sound more technical.</p>
<p>Oh, and the hassles of cheapstake clients.  A family member?</p>
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