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	<title>Comments on: Thin Provisioning</title>
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		<title>By: Jesse</title>
		<link>http://blog.50micron.com/2008/08/27/thin-provisioning/comment-page-1/#comment-6372</link>
		<dc:creator>Jesse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2008 17:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It makes sense from a web/hosting kind of environment.  When you sell someone 10G, they expect to see 10G available. 

However I believe it&#039;s a lot like airlines overselling flights, a practice I always thought should be indictable.  If you sell more than you have in just about any other industry, it&#039;s called fraud.

But you&#039;re right, it&#039;s been around for years, the Celerra has done it for as long as I can remember, and I suppose it&#039;s common industry practice.

Although I see a lot less risk doing it in a NAS device than with a block-level device.  There is too much risk to data on a block-level device when you get to a point where there is no more space to be had..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It makes sense from a web/hosting kind of environment.  When you sell someone 10G, they expect to see 10G available. </p>
<p>However I believe it&#8217;s a lot like airlines overselling flights, a practice I always thought should be indictable.  If you sell more than you have in just about any other industry, it&#8217;s called fraud.</p>
<p>But you&#8217;re right, it&#8217;s been around for years, the Celerra has done it for as long as I can remember, and I suppose it&#8217;s common industry practice.</p>
<p>Although I see a lot less risk doing it in a NAS device than with a block-level device.  There is too much risk to data on a block-level device when you get to a point where there is no more space to be had..</p>
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		<title>By: kaneda</title>
		<link>http://blog.50micron.com/2008/08/27/thin-provisioning/comment-page-1/#comment-6371</link>
		<dc:creator>kaneda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 12:16:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve seen this beast before.   For anyone familiar with CPanel, or web hosting, the term &quot;overselling&quot; comes to mind.

Now, considering that it took experience (read: falling flat on your face) for web hostings companies to weigh up the right ratios or formula to avoid embarrassment and understand what overselling really meant, I think the real question is how good is the reporting on thin provisioning use?

If the reports are useless, well, you know what happens in 3 mths time when Finance or the Dev team keep asking for VMs/space ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve seen this beast before.   For anyone familiar with CPanel, or web hosting, the term &#8220;overselling&#8221; comes to mind.</p>
<p>Now, considering that it took experience (read: falling flat on your face) for web hostings companies to weigh up the right ratios or formula to avoid embarrassment and understand what overselling really meant, I think the real question is how good is the reporting on thin provisioning use?</p>
<p>If the reports are useless, well, you know what happens in 3 mths time when Finance or the Dev team keep asking for VMs/space <img src='http://blog.50micron.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: williamwbishop</title>
		<link>http://blog.50micron.com/2008/08/27/thin-provisioning/comment-page-1/#comment-6368</link>
		<dc:creator>williamwbishop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 23:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You guys are missing obvious uses. Say I had 2000 desktop vm&#039;s. You can&#039;t give them only the amount of OS, because they save documents, and you might need to install future applications. But how much do you give them? You don&#039;t know what the future holds. You may give what you think is a perfectly good amount of space to each vm(say 6 gigs, about 50 percent free after OS and base apps) only to find that the next app you have to deploy is an oracle client!

But, if you give them space, plus what they LIKELY will need in the future, you have just wasted terabytes of space! Solution? Thin provisioning. I give them 12 gig disks, they won&#039;t run out of room anytime soon, if ever(we use network shares for file storage), but only 3 gigs is used on the vast majority of the volumes. My waste has been trimmed by nearly 100%.

This is only one example, there are plenty of them around, but looking at it logically, you can see where it fits.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You guys are missing obvious uses. Say I had 2000 desktop vm&#8217;s. You can&#8217;t give them only the amount of OS, because they save documents, and you might need to install future applications. But how much do you give them? You don&#8217;t know what the future holds. You may give what you think is a perfectly good amount of space to each vm(say 6 gigs, about 50 percent free after OS and base apps) only to find that the next app you have to deploy is an oracle client!</p>
<p>But, if you give them space, plus what they LIKELY will need in the future, you have just wasted terabytes of space! Solution? Thin provisioning. I give them 12 gig disks, they won&#8217;t run out of room anytime soon, if ever(we use network shares for file storage), but only 3 gigs is used on the vast majority of the volumes. My waste has been trimmed by nearly 100%.</p>
<p>This is only one example, there are plenty of them around, but looking at it logically, you can see where it fits.</p>
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		<title>By: pmcandrew</title>
		<link>http://blog.50micron.com/2008/08/27/thin-provisioning/comment-page-1/#comment-6367</link>
		<dc:creator>pmcandrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 02:18:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with you on thin provisioning. It&#039;s over subscribing an array. What I do think Thin Provisioning or Virtual Provisioning (I&#039;m an EMC guy) is useful for is for base OS installs like Win 2003/2008, RHEL, etc. 

But otherwise I really wouldn&#039;t use it for anyting else. I don&#039;t like the idea of over subscribing- but for the base OS, I think it&#039;s a good idea.

Pat</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with you on thin provisioning. It&#8217;s over subscribing an array. What I do think Thin Provisioning or Virtual Provisioning (I&#8217;m an EMC guy) is useful for is for base OS installs like Win 2003/2008, RHEL, etc. </p>
<p>But otherwise I really wouldn&#8217;t use it for anyting else. I don&#8217;t like the idea of over subscribing- but for the base OS, I think it&#8217;s a good idea.</p>
<p>Pat</p>
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