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	<title>Comments on: Fibrechannel Target Mode</title>
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		<title>By: SanGod</title>
		<link>http://blog.50micron.com/2008/05/29/fibrechannel-target-mode/comment-page-1/#comment-6267</link>
		<dc:creator>SanGod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jun 2008 02:35:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I played with the Open-E demo for a while, it is VERY refined but I hate the idea of not being able to present a lun down multiple iSCSI targets.  I don&#039;t know if the Fibrechannel works any different..  But I&#039;m not going to put anything I need to keep on it until I have a copy that doesn&#039;t expire.

Jg</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I played with the Open-E demo for a while, it is VERY refined but I hate the idea of not being able to present a lun down multiple iSCSI targets.  I don&#8217;t know if the Fibrechannel works any different..  But I&#8217;m not going to put anything I need to keep on it until I have a copy that doesn&#8217;t expire.</p>
<p>Jg</p>
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		<title>By: tim</title>
		<link>http://blog.50micron.com/2008/05/29/fibrechannel-target-mode/comment-page-1/#comment-6266</link>
		<dc:creator>tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 22:06:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you&#039;ve used netapp, it&#039;s definitely a familiar feeling.  Nowhere near as refined, and I personally wouldn&#039;t ever stick it in an enterprise setting... but for a lab/home use, it gets the job done if you&#039;re a geek ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you&#8217;ve used netapp, it&#8217;s definitely a familiar feeling.  Nowhere near as refined, and I personally wouldn&#8217;t ever stick it in an enterprise setting&#8230; but for a lab/home use, it gets the job done if you&#8217;re a geek <img src='http://blog.50micron.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: SanGod</title>
		<link>http://blog.50micron.com/2008/05/29/fibrechannel-target-mode/comment-page-1/#comment-6265</link>
		<dc:creator>SanGod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 18:04:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok - I think I&#039;m sensing a theme here.  Something tells me i might want to look into OpenSolaris. ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok &#8211; I think I&#8217;m sensing a theme here.  Something tells me i might want to look into OpenSolaris. <img src='http://blog.50micron.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: tim</title>
		<link>http://blog.50micron.com/2008/05/29/fibrechannel-target-mode/comment-page-1/#comment-6264</link>
		<dc:creator>tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 17:58:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>*cough*opensolaris*cough*</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>*cough*opensolaris*cough*</p>
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		<title>By: SanGod</title>
		<link>http://blog.50micron.com/2008/05/29/fibrechannel-target-mode/comment-page-1/#comment-6262</link>
		<dc:creator>SanGod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 12:48:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve seen a number of CX300&#039;s up for $2-3k, one starting as low as $500.  FC4700&#039;s/FC5700&#039;s are there as well, but since you can&#039;t get the larger drives for them, they aren&#039;t really worth the operating cost.  (I got rid of my FC5300 because to have 30x 18G drives was kind of a waste given the power, rack space, and cooling it required.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve seen a number of CX300&#8242;s up for $2-3k, one starting as low as $500.  FC4700&#8242;s/FC5700&#8242;s are there as well, but since you can&#8217;t get the larger drives for them, they aren&#8217;t really worth the operating cost.  (I got rid of my FC5300 because to have 30x 18G drives was kind of a waste given the power, rack space, and cooling it required.)</p>
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		<title>By: Fabio Rapposelli</title>
		<link>http://blog.50micron.com/2008/05/29/fibrechannel-target-mode/comment-page-1/#comment-6261</link>
		<dc:creator>Fabio Rapposelli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 09:16:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, and solid LACP support as well.
Feel free to mail me if you need further informations.

bye,
Fabio</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, and solid LACP support as well.<br />
Feel free to mail me if you need further informations.</p>
<p>bye,<br />
Fabio</p>
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		<title>By: Fabio Rapposelli</title>
		<link>http://blog.50micron.com/2008/05/29/fibrechannel-target-mode/comment-page-1/#comment-6260</link>
		<dc:creator>Fabio Rapposelli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 09:04:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Try OpenSolaris, there&#039;s a FC,iSCSI and now SAS target, native in-kernel NFS and CIFS support (no samba) with wonderful AD support.
Oh, and it&#039;s free :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Try OpenSolaris, there&#8217;s a FC,iSCSI and now SAS target, native in-kernel NFS and CIFS support (no samba) with wonderful AD support.<br />
Oh, and it&#8217;s free <img src='http://blog.50micron.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: storageguy201</title>
		<link>http://blog.50micron.com/2008/05/29/fibrechannel-target-mode/comment-page-1/#comment-6259</link>
		<dc:creator>storageguy201</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 03:39:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll give OpenFiler a shot, thanks. So, if one were to look for a paid yet inexpensive FC solution for home, what&#039;s a good deal out there these days? Older FC4700s? :) CX300? AX-150? HP MSA 1000? Apple X-RAID? OpenE? San Melody? I find most FC connectivity solutions also use FC drives which are $$$ as opposed to say the SATA drives ( performance and error rates aside)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll give OpenFiler a shot, thanks. So, if one were to look for a paid yet inexpensive FC solution for home, what&#8217;s a good deal out there these days? Older FC4700s? <img src='http://blog.50micron.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  CX300? AX-150? HP MSA 1000? Apple X-RAID? OpenE? San Melody? I find most FC connectivity solutions also use FC drives which are $$$ as opposed to say the SATA drives ( performance and error rates aside)</p>
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		<title>By: SanGod</title>
		<link>http://blog.50micron.com/2008/05/29/fibrechannel-target-mode/comment-page-1/#comment-6258</link>
		<dc:creator>SanGod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 01:59:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>you might give OpenFiler a try, the only real complaint I had with v2.2.x was that joining it to an AD domain was clunky at best.  I&#039;m told it&#039;s better but we&#039;ll just have to see.

I&#039;m really enjoying my playtime with Open-E&#039;s product.  I won&#039;t eval it fully beyond a couple of test VM&#039;s unless I get a full version though, too many risks.

iSCSI seems to make more sense from a pure cost standpoint, and yes, i can see the performance on a system that allows real load-balancing and such - but given that VMWare&#039;s support for load-balancing via iSCSI is anemic at best (it will let you zone to multiple targets, but not really using multiple source NIC&#039;s) I think if you want real performance you&#039;re going to have to go FC.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you might give OpenFiler a try, the only real complaint I had with v2.2.x was that joining it to an AD domain was clunky at best.  I&#8217;m told it&#8217;s better but we&#8217;ll just have to see.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m really enjoying my playtime with Open-E&#8217;s product.  I won&#8217;t eval it fully beyond a couple of test VM&#8217;s unless I get a full version though, too many risks.</p>
<p>iSCSI seems to make more sense from a pure cost standpoint, and yes, i can see the performance on a system that allows real load-balancing and such &#8211; but given that VMWare&#8217;s support for load-balancing via iSCSI is anemic at best (it will let you zone to multiple targets, but not really using multiple source NIC&#8217;s) I think if you want real performance you&#8217;re going to have to go FC.</p>
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		<title>By: storageguy201</title>
		<link>http://blog.50micron.com/2008/05/29/fibrechannel-target-mode/comment-page-1/#comment-6257</link>
		<dc:creator>storageguy201</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 01:51:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I haven&#039;t used the Linux iSCSI implementation which I heard was put together using a packet sniffer to understand the iSCSI protocol using a CISCO iSCI device ?). I have used iSCSI across Celerra and NetApp for backups and they perform equally well (in other words, no complaints from the DBAs) when doing database backup dumps. We have a seperate VLAN for iSCSI though with jumbo frames enabled.

I too have been contempelating FC vs. iSCSI for home lab setup and iSCSI just seems to be winning given it&#039;s availability in various inexpensive forms and the fact that I don&#039;t have to buy or install HBA cards and fibre cables. I think I&#039;m going to go with a 3Ware/Adaptec/PERC RAID card on a Dell 2650 then run FreeNAS or CentOS to serve NFS, CIFS, iSCSI, RSYNCD etc - should be good enough for a home/lab setup.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I haven&#8217;t used the Linux iSCSI implementation which I heard was put together using a packet sniffer to understand the iSCSI protocol using a CISCO iSCI device ?). I have used iSCSI across Celerra and NetApp for backups and they perform equally well (in other words, no complaints from the DBAs) when doing database backup dumps. We have a seperate VLAN for iSCSI though with jumbo frames enabled.</p>
<p>I too have been contempelating FC vs. iSCSI for home lab setup and iSCSI just seems to be winning given it&#8217;s availability in various inexpensive forms and the fact that I don&#8217;t have to buy or install HBA cards and fibre cables. I think I&#8217;m going to go with a 3Ware/Adaptec/PERC RAID card on a Dell 2650 then run FreeNAS or CentOS to serve NFS, CIFS, iSCSI, RSYNCD etc &#8211; should be good enough for a home/lab setup.</p>
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