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	<title>Comments on: Throwing money away&#8230;.</title>
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		<title>By: SanGod</title>
		<link>http://blog.50micron.com/2007/03/01/throwing-money-away/comment-page-1/#comment-386</link>
		<dc:creator>SanGod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Mar 2007 05:25:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know - I was in an airport once a while back, shortly after the &quot;No Gels and Liquids&quot; ban went into effect, and I overheard a pilot talking to a flight attendant, griping about having had to give up his Toothpaste.

His comment struck me as very ironic - he said: &quot;You know, I could flip a plane over and fly it into a mountain, but I can&#039;t be trusted to brush my teeth during the flight.&quot;

Kind of the same situation.  The person who runs the storage has control of the world.  Take the storage down, you could bring down hospitals, business, anyone really.

If they won&#039;t give me root access to the host to verify the scripts I&#039;m running, that&#039;s actually *MORE* risk, not less.  Because when I&#039;m running a configuration script against the symm to de-present devices, the Symm doesn&#039;t care if the device is in use, it&#039;s going to mark it not-ready, unmap it from the front-end port, and if I&#039;m dissolving the metavolume it will destroy the data.

The funny part is most of the people I work with won&#039;t know what the script is doing, I could hand them a script to run to restore the box to a factory state and they wouldn&#039;t know the difference.

But - I&#039;m a professional and my job is to protect data, not to destroy it.  I even make my customers sign a data-destruction letter any time I&#039;m dissolving used (pre-owned?) devices, because I want them to understand exactly what it is I&#039;m doing and what the risks are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know &#8211; I was in an airport once a while back, shortly after the &#8220;No Gels and Liquids&#8221; ban went into effect, and I overheard a pilot talking to a flight attendant, griping about having had to give up his Toothpaste.</p>
<p>His comment struck me as very ironic &#8211; he said: &#8220;You know, I could flip a plane over and fly it into a mountain, but I can&#8217;t be trusted to brush my teeth during the flight.&#8221;</p>
<p>Kind of the same situation.  The person who runs the storage has control of the world.  Take the storage down, you could bring down hospitals, business, anyone really.</p>
<p>If they won&#8217;t give me root access to the host to verify the scripts I&#8217;m running, that&#8217;s actually *MORE* risk, not less.  Because when I&#8217;m running a configuration script against the symm to de-present devices, the Symm doesn&#8217;t care if the device is in use, it&#8217;s going to mark it not-ready, unmap it from the front-end port, and if I&#8217;m dissolving the metavolume it will destroy the data.</p>
<p>The funny part is most of the people I work with won&#8217;t know what the script is doing, I could hand them a script to run to restore the box to a factory state and they wouldn&#8217;t know the difference.</p>
<p>But &#8211; I&#8217;m a professional and my job is to protect data, not to destroy it.  I even make my customers sign a data-destruction letter any time I&#8217;m dissolving used (pre-owned?) devices, because I want them to understand exactly what it is I&#8217;m doing and what the risks are.</p>
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		<title>By: Nigel</title>
		<link>http://blog.50micron.com/2007/03/01/throwing-money-away/comment-page-1/#comment-385</link>
		<dc:creator>Nigel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Mar 2007 04:26:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I recently did some work on a military site in the UK and the whole time I worked there, about 4 months, my official security clearence never came through.  So I was not allowed to even touch a Unix server.  However, because the following SAN tools were not understood by the security guys they did not fall under their remit and I was allowed unrestricted access to them - 
Brocade CLI and Webtools
HP XP Remote Web Console and XP CLI

Im certain that more damage could be caused from these tools than from me logging on to the Unix servers.  But hey, I wasnt about to run to the securoty guys and tell them that, as that would have meant I couldn&#039;t do any work at all.

Funny thing was, much of the SAN kit still had default passwords for root access.  Hmmmmmmm makes you wonder.

BTW we did change the default passwords ;-)

Point being, I was there for 4 months and still couldnt do my job properly, and I wasnt cheap either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I recently did some work on a military site in the UK and the whole time I worked there, about 4 months, my official security clearence never came through.  So I was not allowed to even touch a Unix server.  However, because the following SAN tools were not understood by the security guys they did not fall under their remit and I was allowed unrestricted access to them &#8211;<br />
Brocade CLI and Webtools<br />
HP XP Remote Web Console and XP CLI</p>
<p>Im certain that more damage could be caused from these tools than from me logging on to the Unix servers.  But hey, I wasnt about to run to the securoty guys and tell them that, as that would have meant I couldn&#8217;t do any work at all.</p>
<p>Funny thing was, much of the SAN kit still had default passwords for root access.  Hmmmmmmm makes you wonder.</p>
<p>BTW we did change the default passwords <img src='http://blog.50micron.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Point being, I was there for 4 months and still couldnt do my job properly, and I wasnt cheap either.</p>
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